Tara, THIS is what I pay you for. Balanced content. While my politics are at odds with parts of both yours and Riley's, hearing the arguments sure beats depending on the Globe, the CBC or the National Post.
Tara, this is a fascinating topic that I've thought about over the past year and one that merits discussion. Considering Trump's often self-inflicted blunders, coupled with a coordinated, sustained campaign to damage his presidency and remove him from office by various institutions including most of the media outlets in the country, this statistic is even more remarkable. My nagging thought has always been: supposing Covid had not happened, or the FBI had remained impartial, or the Special Counsel investigation, (lasting years) based on what is now accepted as fabricated evidence paid for by the opposition, had not been allowed to proceed, or Trump had not been branded as a racist by leading commentators in the media and leading members of the legislative branch......if all of that hadn't happened....how many MORE black voters would have endorsed this polarizing President, who up until COVID 19, was well on his way to a second term?
It's difficult taking Riley too seriously. I assume he is labeled a conservative because he leans Republician. He kept citing tax cuts, which in and of themselves are not genuine conservative traits, tax cuts without spending cuts are little more than bribery. There were several laughable lines but as is usually the case, the last one is the one I remember.
Jason said, correctly I think, the press colluded to treat President Trump differently than their normal way. He went on to say that they would return to their normal way once Trump was gone; I think he said their normal way is objective reporting. Only a complete dolt thinks the MSM was objective prior to Trump; and they are not objective today.
Riley is like most Republicans, he wants to be invited to the DC parties, so he can't say anything too honest. He toted the party narrative in typical fashion. We were not told but since he didn't vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, should we conclude he voted for Hillary and Joe? If so, slap a RINO tag on his lapel.
The West is too far gone for dictators. It is somewhere in the warring factions phase. When energy and food rationing start, existence becomes very local; anything happening more than a couple hundred kilometers away may as well be Mars.
This is why Tara's Substack is valuable. The more disconnected it gets from your/my day-to-day reality, the closer to the end of the warring factions phase it is.
Great interview, thanks for featuring this topic. It’s very rare to hear any praise of Trump’s presidency, so I appreciate this studied view. One benefit that I personally feel has come out of the last two years of feeling stigmatized by my vaccination choice is that I opened to hearing other political points of view besides the Liberal/Democrat version, which I have come to realize is overrepresented in the media quite starkly. I began to feel more and more attuned to the one-sided, rigid, biased, and intolerant nature of the mainstream media and so began to drift away. And here I am on this Substack, enjoying the many diverse and interesting offerings, as well as the comments from readers. In some ways, a new world has opened up for me - more jaded maybe, but also more curious about and engaged with a variety of topics and points of view.
Very interesting, thank you! Refreshing to hear Jason Riley’s thoughtful and balanced analysis. I do, though, take some issue with his conclusions on immigration enforcement and trade policies: even if, as he argues, Trump’s stronger immigration enforcement and pro-American-worker trade policies didn’t actually produce much measurable benefit for blacks economically, I suspect both were, in fact, still quite popular with working class Americans, including working class black Americans, and were therefore positive factors in why more blacks evidently voted for Trump in 2020. Along with the tax cuts and regulatory reforms that Jason Riley correctly emphasizes (which did generate broad economic benefits for American workers), immigration enforcement and tougher trade policies—whatever you think of them on the merits—were also inseparable from Trump’s image as a candidate.
Terrific! I admire that, while you think of yourself as "left" along the political spectrum, you are open to all points of view, including Jason Riley's. I think he highlights an important point in his interview, specifically that we need to think in terms of economic outcomes instead of immediately turning to identity politics. It makes total sense that people who have a job and face rising wages will be enthusiastic about the person at the helm while these things happened. The chattering class immediately frames any conflict or outcome in terms of race or gender. However, for most people, earning a decent wage doing dignified work is generally what motivates them - in voting as well as in other things (e.g. Freedom Convoy).
I really enjoyed this interview - good data that I haven’t heard before. One comment from the author bothers me though - the news should be about data, not opinions. Both the left and right media are wrong - the news should report complete facts, not feelings and opinions. If you want to report a slanted view either way, that is an editorial, not news.
That was excellent Tara, thank you. However, the economic impacts of Trump policies on Black Americans has long been acknowledged by anyone who receives their news from non-legacy media sources. As Mr. Riley implied, everyone would do themselves a favor by forcing themselves to exit their respective echo chambers.
Month into WW3, end of petrodollar, possible famines and still Trump and pigmentation!? Can't tell if Tara is doing self-parody or auditioning for Whoopi's job on The View.
It's unfortunate, though, Jewel, that he chose to use such hateful, insulting, and inciting speech in his rallies, etc. He might have been received more on the merits you mention if he hadn't come across as so mean-spirited. That turned people off him big-time, although his base, whom he played to constantly, throwing them the 'red meat' of Hillary hating, etc. became even more loyal and fervent.
Tara, THIS is what I pay you for. Balanced content. While my politics are at odds with parts of both yours and Riley's, hearing the arguments sure beats depending on the Globe, the CBC or the National Post.
Tara, this is a fascinating topic that I've thought about over the past year and one that merits discussion. Considering Trump's often self-inflicted blunders, coupled with a coordinated, sustained campaign to damage his presidency and remove him from office by various institutions including most of the media outlets in the country, this statistic is even more remarkable. My nagging thought has always been: supposing Covid had not happened, or the FBI had remained impartial, or the Special Counsel investigation, (lasting years) based on what is now accepted as fabricated evidence paid for by the opposition, had not been allowed to proceed, or Trump had not been branded as a racist by leading commentators in the media and leading members of the legislative branch......if all of that hadn't happened....how many MORE black voters would have endorsed this polarizing President, who up until COVID 19, was well on his way to a second term?
Exactly. Unfortunately the global elite rose up to destroy his presidency and influence the election. COVID timing was certainly fortuitous for them.
OMG, somebody benefitted during Trump’s presidency? This is contrary to the prevailing narrative. This talk must be shut down immediately.
It's difficult taking Riley too seriously. I assume he is labeled a conservative because he leans Republician. He kept citing tax cuts, which in and of themselves are not genuine conservative traits, tax cuts without spending cuts are little more than bribery. There were several laughable lines but as is usually the case, the last one is the one I remember.
Jason said, correctly I think, the press colluded to treat President Trump differently than their normal way. He went on to say that they would return to their normal way once Trump was gone; I think he said their normal way is objective reporting. Only a complete dolt thinks the MSM was objective prior to Trump; and they are not objective today.
Riley is like most Republicans, he wants to be invited to the DC parties, so he can't say anything too honest. He toted the party narrative in typical fashion. We were not told but since he didn't vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, should we conclude he voted for Hillary and Joe? If so, slap a RINO tag on his lapel.
An empire has one party with factions fighting for power.
The West is too far gone for dictators. It is somewhere in the warring factions phase. When energy and food rationing start, existence becomes very local; anything happening more than a couple hundred kilometers away may as well be Mars.
This is why Tara's Substack is valuable. The more disconnected it gets from your/my day-to-day reality, the closer to the end of the warring factions phase it is.
Great interview, thanks for featuring this topic. It’s very rare to hear any praise of Trump’s presidency, so I appreciate this studied view. One benefit that I personally feel has come out of the last two years of feeling stigmatized by my vaccination choice is that I opened to hearing other political points of view besides the Liberal/Democrat version, which I have come to realize is overrepresented in the media quite starkly. I began to feel more and more attuned to the one-sided, rigid, biased, and intolerant nature of the mainstream media and so began to drift away. And here I am on this Substack, enjoying the many diverse and interesting offerings, as well as the comments from readers. In some ways, a new world has opened up for me - more jaded maybe, but also more curious about and engaged with a variety of topics and points of view.
This is why I'm a paying subscriber. Excellent work!
Very interesting, thank you! Refreshing to hear Jason Riley’s thoughtful and balanced analysis. I do, though, take some issue with his conclusions on immigration enforcement and trade policies: even if, as he argues, Trump’s stronger immigration enforcement and pro-American-worker trade policies didn’t actually produce much measurable benefit for blacks economically, I suspect both were, in fact, still quite popular with working class Americans, including working class black Americans, and were therefore positive factors in why more blacks evidently voted for Trump in 2020. Along with the tax cuts and regulatory reforms that Jason Riley correctly emphasizes (which did generate broad economic benefits for American workers), immigration enforcement and tougher trade policies—whatever you think of them on the merits—were also inseparable from Trump’s image as a candidate.
Terrific, insightful conversation. I love this episode
Terrific! I admire that, while you think of yourself as "left" along the political spectrum, you are open to all points of view, including Jason Riley's. I think he highlights an important point in his interview, specifically that we need to think in terms of economic outcomes instead of immediately turning to identity politics. It makes total sense that people who have a job and face rising wages will be enthusiastic about the person at the helm while these things happened. The chattering class immediately frames any conflict or outcome in terms of race or gender. However, for most people, earning a decent wage doing dignified work is generally what motivates them - in voting as well as in other things (e.g. Freedom Convoy).
I really enjoyed this interview - good data that I haven’t heard before. One comment from the author bothers me though - the news should be about data, not opinions. Both the left and right media are wrong - the news should report complete facts, not feelings and opinions. If you want to report a slanted view either way, that is an editorial, not news.
That was excellent Tara, thank you. However, the economic impacts of Trump policies on Black Americans has long been acknowledged by anyone who receives their news from non-legacy media sources. As Mr. Riley implied, everyone would do themselves a favor by forcing themselves to exit their respective echo chambers.
Dear Tara, any chance for a transcript please ? Ta Raymond
Hi Tara...thank you so much for your podcasts. And it's really great that they are usually around 30 minutes.
Too may podcasts turn into Wagnerian operas.
I always thought that the first year of Trump's presidency could in part be attributed to Obama but as things went on you can't just give it to Obama.
Month into WW3, end of petrodollar, possible famines and still Trump and pigmentation!? Can't tell if Tara is doing self-parody or auditioning for Whoopi's job on The View.
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It's unfortunate, though, Jewel, that he chose to use such hateful, insulting, and inciting speech in his rallies, etc. He might have been received more on the merits you mention if he hadn't come across as so mean-spirited. That turned people off him big-time, although his base, whom he played to constantly, throwing them the 'red meat' of Hillary hating, etc. became even more loyal and fervent.