'There’s a lot of people just trying to hold on to their jobs'

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Throughout the month of December, here on Lean Out, I’ve been having conversations with the independent journalists that I admire.

Today, I’m happy to welcome back to the podcast a writer and thinker whose work kept me sane during the pandemic.

Meghan Daum is an essayist and author. She’s a former columnist for the L.A. Times, host of The Unspeakable podcast, and with Sarah Haider, co-host of the podcast A Special Place In Hell.

Meghan Daum is my guest — for Lean Out’s last episode of 2022. Transcript to come for paid subscribers.