The Zac Brown Band takes Toronto to church, it's a wrap for the pandemic, a new non-profit turns down the heat on controversial conversations; plus, a note on hope
Although I appreciate the spirit in which this piece is written, Tara, and celebrate the reemergence of joyful gatherings, as you do, I continue to feel downtrodden and depressed by the victimization of unvaccinated people in society, in particular by the travel mandates that are restricting my freedom of movement to participate in and enjoy social, familial, and cultural events. The federal government is keeping these in place because they believe they have the public’s support to do so, not because there are any medical or health reasons behind it. I know you know this, as many of the readers on this forum are also painfully aware of. The pandemic will never be over until everyone in society is treated with dignity and respect and our fundamental freedoms are restored. I am in the process of writing a letter to all MPs asking them to support the removal of these mandates. If more people who are against the travel mandates, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, let their MPs know this, then the jubilance you describe might soon be available to everyone.
Patryce what an excellent message. I couldn't agree with you more. I feel very concerned and sad for this kind of punishing behaviour from our government. This is not backed by science at all. It is completely political. I sometimes feel rage when I think what the Trudeau government has done to this country. Not sure if it is going to be easily fixed. When I think of life now and I catch myself feeling despair I get an unexpected messages of hope. Yesterday I had a conversation with a man who said that Maude Barlow is coming to Charlottetown and she talks about "wise hope". I am working on that today. I have written to every MP. We just have to vote him out. Thank you again.
Thanks Nancy. I applaud your following this “wise hope” and writing to the MPs to add your voice to changing this situation. I witness many people who have been negatively affected by the mandates sinking into a kind of entrenched cynicism and believing that nothing they do will make any difference. They have bought into the “us and them” mentality completely and would rather continue to feel victimized rather than be proactive in pushing for change. I understand the fatigue and despair, I feel it too. But as Margaret Mead famously said, “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed individuals can change the world.” We are not on the fringes of freedom, we are at the core!
I know. I so want to do something. Some kind of action. Things really started to change for me during the protest in Ottawa. I had such a profound sense of pride as I watched the truckers and what happened around the world in support. I will never forget it and will never get over the disgusting, violent, horrible backlash from the government. Then I began to really pay attention. I have had three vaccines. Since the booster I have had breathing issues and am currently getting tests to see what is happening. I am worried for the future for my adult children and the generations to come. Constitutional freedoms are crucial as a distinction from dictatorships and we are really slipping away with ours. I think about this daily, and wish there was more I could do, or a protest I could join. I will never get another vaccine that is for sure. I can't even look or listen to Justin Trudeau anymore. The sad thing is our entire political system is essentially corrupt. But I will never give up trying to do my part.
Reach out to the Canadian Frontline Doctors if you feel they can assist with post-vaccine injury - here is a link to their protocol. You are wise to check it out - Dr. Malone has stated recently that he feels it likely that all recipients of the mRNA shots may end up with some form of myocarditis. https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/
I also appreciate the spirit of Tara's joyful music experience and had a beautiful visual experience as she described it. I agree with you Patrice especially after recently seeing the PM wearing a mask for photo ops. Good idea to write the MP's once again though my letter from Jonathan Wilkinson last year was patronizing and disappointing.
Thanks KT. Yes, I couldn’t believe Trudeau and the Liberal caucus sitting there wearing masks again. Virtue signalling or what? Keeping fear stoked? I don’t get it, especially when large public events, such as Tara describes, are virtually mask-free. I enjoyed a fabulous, fun-filled Cirque de Soleil recently, thanks to the removal of the provincial vaccine passports and mask mandates. Only a handful of people were still wearing masks. Trudeau’s behaviour makes no sense, obviously.
Of course it is Virtue Signaling. What is there to get. Of course, on top of Virtue Signaling, there is the KABUKI of Never Admitting They Were Petty Tyrants! (I almost wrote Never Admitting They Were Wrong, but of course, being right was not part of any of their actions.
Well said Patryce. As a fellow unvaccinated Canadian, I agree with your sentiments 100%. I thank God the restrictions have been lifted here in Ontario; just went out for a great dinner in Stratford last night, and I was happy to see the waitress was maskless. I'm hopeful the rest of the restrictions including the travel mandates will be lifted soon.
Also! Check IrnieracingNews channel on YouTube! Canadians need to all Not Comply with the ArriveCan app and travel by land to and from the USA. It’s possible! That channel the guy, Marcel, has some videos, tips and encouragement from his own experiences.
It would be nice if somebody told the federal government the pandemic is over, so everyone can travel again when they want or need to. The feds appear to be beating up on a big part of their citizenry and that really sucks. They even refuse to justify it with any kind of data or real science. Perhaps they think making it into a wedge issue will score political points for them but it will not. As soon as every family in the country realizes that they have friends and family they still can not visit with, or work obligations that are destroying people's livelihoods, the Liberals are going to be hated even more than they already are, by more and more people. If I was a Liberal MP I would organize a caucus revolt and demand that Trudeau steps down and if he doesn't I would make sure that next time there is a vote in the Commons (ha ha what an oxymoron that word is) that enough MPs don't show up that Singh can not save their sorry ass.
Please do not move on without us, the unvaccinated. For millions, the pandemic is not over and every day that the mandates remain in place the damage is driven even deeper.
Yes it certainly is. The worst treatment I have ever seen. I am vaccinated. I haven't felt well since the 3rd booster. Not sure if there is a connection. I am disheartened at the abysmal state of our country and the punishing attitude of Justin Trudeau. Totally political. We have to vote him out.
I love that you experienced this feeling - I too am warmed by social gatherings, being able to enjoy music live etc.;however there are millions of Canadians who still can not travel to another province let alone another country because of their vaccination status. My husband couldn’t fly to another province to attend his brother’s memorial. I also heard recently that a politician was banished from parliament because of her vaccine status. The pandemic is far from over in terms of the power plays of our government. Sorry if I burst your bubble. I am glad you had a good time. 🙂
This is a pretty optimistic piece for a place like Canada that has bought so hard into the narrative. If BA 5 is indeed preferentially infecting the boosted Canada could be in for a big wave and a return to ab-normal over the summer.
Being maskless and revelling among the hundreds (thousands?) in Ottawa last January, and I went twice, I felt the same sense of jubilation and freedom and kinship to humanity. Then, the Emergencies Act, cuz, you know, fear and lies.
"That we can awaken, once again, to all that is beautiful." Ya got me with that one Tara. My thanks from a down-at-the-mouth, I-didn't-used-to-be-this-angry Canadian.
What a lovely piece. It reminds me of the day the Tragically Hip did their last concert and the country closed down. Back when we still liked Trudeau. My copy of “A wrinkle in Time” is missing from the boxed set because it was literally read to pieces. I read it to both children at least twice. I will go check out that podcast.
Patryce thank-you for your thoughts. There is a certain amount of shame I feel as a Canadian when our government shows such flippant disregard for its own citizens. It is not reflective of our history and our international reputation. Our Federal leaders have reduced our international standing and influence on the international stage. The trickle down from the top (PM) has a very bad smell.
Thank you, Dean. Well-said and so true. I was proud to be a Canadian once. How can the government ignore the rampant repudiation of its policies and the alienation the citizenry are feeling from the Canadian identity we once knew?
I echo the other comments here, and further them--the pandemic won’t feel over until these travel mandates are lifted, until jobs stop requiring this fake vax, until nowhere requires masks, until the jab for children is completely rescinded, and until there is some reconciliation offered from our government over the hatred they have provoked between the Canadian people.
Tara is happy. Some people are kinda-sorta willing to admit that somebody they "might have" supported screwed over the younger generation by squashing their development for 2 years. Great Tara. smfh
CS Lewis “ The final chapter describes the ultimate consequences of this debunking: a not-so distant future in which the values and morals of the majority are controlled by a small group who rule by a perfect understanding of psychology, and who in turn, being able to see through any system of morality that might induce them to act in a certain way, are ruled only by their own unreflected whims. In surrendering rational reflection on their own motivations, the controllers will no longer be recognizably human, the controlled will be robot-like, and the Abolition of Man will have been completed.“
All these mandates should be dropped! Vaccine mandates are evil! We should allow all these diseases to ravage us again and again, as they did in the past!!!
If I can read between the apparent sarcasm, no one is suggesting dropping these vaccines. Unlike the Covid vaccine, they are effective in preventing infection and transmission. If you think people who oppose being vaccinated against Covid-19 are against all vaccines, you are woefully wrong. Some may be against all vaccines, but the great majority are not. Both common sense and scientific evidence show that the Covid-19 vaccine is ineffective in preventing infections and transmission of the virus. So why the mandates?
The actual scientific evidence shows that the covid vaccines are highly effective at preventing death from covid. They also suppress the amount of virus expelled by the infected, reducing transmission.
And when the unvaccinated take a vow not to burden the medical system for treatment of covid, let me know.
There is such a thing as individual responsibility to society. Allowing yourself to become much sicker than you need to be, and then asking society to help you out, at risk to those who provide your care, and denying care to others due to finite resources, is extremely irresponsible, IMO.
That’s your story and you’re sticking to it, regardless of the actual evidence to the contrary. I am unvaccinated, had Omicron, was sick for four days, and now have natural immunity. Millions of people now have had the same experience, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. Does it mean we will never catch the virus again? No, just like the flu, we could catch it again, but it is highly unlikely we would be hospitalized because of it. The more serious alpha and delta variants in terms of potential hospitalization (especially in immunocompromised people with cormidities) passed a long time ago. Get up to date with your so-called science!
I have a PhD in physics from Stanford. I understand science.
While evidence in medicine is much more complicated to collect and interpret than it is in physics, I understand which sort of methodological analyses are valid and which one are not.
Your personal anecdotes are not science. Your "millions of people have had the same experience" is not science.
The actual science is clear: the covid vaccines have saved millions of lives, and those who refuse them not only burden society unnecessarily, but also put others at higher risk than they need to be.
Please feel free to share your scientific evidence to prove your points. I am sure that I come up with scientific evidence to the contrary if I want to take the time to hunt down the myriads of scientific studies and articles I have read and researched in the past two years.
Steve would eat marky for breakfast, and marky wouldn’t have the nads to put his money where his mouth is in the national spotlight. If the CDC,FDA,Faukey and all the other monkeys won’t debate him, prove me wrong marky
Be careful of this rationale. Firstly, please refer me to clinical trials that show strong evidence that the vaccine prevents death from covid. There is a difference between dying from covid and with covid. Check out this article in the British Journal of Medicine. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o702. Discusses the Illusion of Evidenced based Medicine. And if we are going to talk about the burden on the medical system from the unvaccinated we are stepping into murky water. How about the burden that obesity puts on the medical system for starters? Do you see where I am going with this? The way this pandemic was handled put the true burden on the medical system. Still is.
Well-said! And not to mention the overburdening of hospitals due to adverse effects from the vaccine, such as the dramatic rise in cancers, etc. in the past couple of years. Plus the increase in the all-cause death rate. It doesn't seem far-fetched to me to say that these adverse effects have come at a great cost to the health system. If you think this is far-fetched, there are some interesting and frightening statistics to back it up.
Lol. Do you show the same sanctimony to those who drink too much? Who smoke? Who go decades without hitting the gym and then expect those who have ( at our own expense to boot) to cover their medical costs? How about the ~95% of Canadians who always expect a pint of blood to be ready when they go in for surgery, but have never bothered to roll up their sleeve and donate? If you want to go to a full private healthcare system where people pay according to their risk, you should say so openly. But pretending to care about people burdening the healthcare system to cover your own prejudice against the unvaccinated is kind of weak, IMO.
No, I'm benefitting from many years of serious study and high-level education (which I was fortunate enough to be able to get through scholarships and hard work, coming from a small-town working-class background). Because of that, I know how to tell good science from bad.
This is not easy. It takes many years of training, practice, and experience to do it well. And I am here to tell you: if you think the covid vaccines are bad, you are not able to tell good science from bad. You are being misled by bad science. I could try to explain this, but none of you will listen. You have already made up your minds.
It's a great tragedy for the world that so many people no longer place any value on experience and hard-gained expertise. It will doom us all in the end, as you follow the pied pipers off the cliffs.
Since you’re so adept at recognizing good from bad science, you might be interested in looking into Pfizer’s flawed and misleading (corrupt?) vaccine trials, on the basis of which they (along with huge support from the media, governments, and health officials) convinced people it was safe and effective.
*sigh* That article reports complaints of poor practices such as "Participants placed in a hallway after injection and not being monitored by clinical staff" by ONE person at ONE clinical-trial contractor that did 1000 trials for Pfizer out of a total of 44,000. Since then, there have been HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of doses of Pfizer covid vaccine administered in the United States alone. So today, the results of the trials are completely irrelevant: we have VASTLY more data from real-world use.
Although I appreciate the spirit in which this piece is written, Tara, and celebrate the reemergence of joyful gatherings, as you do, I continue to feel downtrodden and depressed by the victimization of unvaccinated people in society, in particular by the travel mandates that are restricting my freedom of movement to participate in and enjoy social, familial, and cultural events. The federal government is keeping these in place because they believe they have the public’s support to do so, not because there are any medical or health reasons behind it. I know you know this, as many of the readers on this forum are also painfully aware of. The pandemic will never be over until everyone in society is treated with dignity and respect and our fundamental freedoms are restored. I am in the process of writing a letter to all MPs asking them to support the removal of these mandates. If more people who are against the travel mandates, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, let their MPs know this, then the jubilance you describe might soon be available to everyone.
Patryce what an excellent message. I couldn't agree with you more. I feel very concerned and sad for this kind of punishing behaviour from our government. This is not backed by science at all. It is completely political. I sometimes feel rage when I think what the Trudeau government has done to this country. Not sure if it is going to be easily fixed. When I think of life now and I catch myself feeling despair I get an unexpected messages of hope. Yesterday I had a conversation with a man who said that Maude Barlow is coming to Charlottetown and she talks about "wise hope". I am working on that today. I have written to every MP. We just have to vote him out. Thank you again.
Thanks Nancy. I applaud your following this “wise hope” and writing to the MPs to add your voice to changing this situation. I witness many people who have been negatively affected by the mandates sinking into a kind of entrenched cynicism and believing that nothing they do will make any difference. They have bought into the “us and them” mentality completely and would rather continue to feel victimized rather than be proactive in pushing for change. I understand the fatigue and despair, I feel it too. But as Margaret Mead famously said, “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed individuals can change the world.” We are not on the fringes of freedom, we are at the core!
I know. I so want to do something. Some kind of action. Things really started to change for me during the protest in Ottawa. I had such a profound sense of pride as I watched the truckers and what happened around the world in support. I will never forget it and will never get over the disgusting, violent, horrible backlash from the government. Then I began to really pay attention. I have had three vaccines. Since the booster I have had breathing issues and am currently getting tests to see what is happening. I am worried for the future for my adult children and the generations to come. Constitutional freedoms are crucial as a distinction from dictatorships and we are really slipping away with ours. I think about this daily, and wish there was more I could do, or a protest I could join. I will never get another vaccine that is for sure. I can't even look or listen to Justin Trudeau anymore. The sad thing is our entire political system is essentially corrupt. But I will never give up trying to do my part.
Reach out to the Canadian Frontline Doctors if you feel they can assist with post-vaccine injury - here is a link to their protocol. You are wise to check it out - Dr. Malone has stated recently that he feels it likely that all recipients of the mRNA shots may end up with some form of myocarditis. https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/
Hi thank you for this information. I will check it out. I appreciate the information.
This link contains content of both Dr. Peter McCullough (Cardiologist) and Dr. Robert Malone on the issue https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/health-nightmare-dr-robert-malone-spotlights-study-on-mrna-spike-protein/
Webinar, discussing all things CoViD…this episode discusses healing from vaxx injury:
https://unbreakableseries.com/episode-6-live/
Wishing you health and freedom
Thank you. Will definitely check this out.
I also appreciate the spirit of Tara's joyful music experience and had a beautiful visual experience as she described it. I agree with you Patrice especially after recently seeing the PM wearing a mask for photo ops. Good idea to write the MP's once again though my letter from Jonathan Wilkinson last year was patronizing and disappointing.
Thanks KT. Yes, I couldn’t believe Trudeau and the Liberal caucus sitting there wearing masks again. Virtue signalling or what? Keeping fear stoked? I don’t get it, especially when large public events, such as Tara describes, are virtually mask-free. I enjoyed a fabulous, fun-filled Cirque de Soleil recently, thanks to the removal of the provincial vaccine passports and mask mandates. Only a handful of people were still wearing masks. Trudeau’s behaviour makes no sense, obviously.
Of course it is Virtue Signaling. What is there to get. Of course, on top of Virtue Signaling, there is the KABUKI of Never Admitting They Were Petty Tyrants! (I almost wrote Never Admitting They Were Wrong, but of course, being right was not part of any of their actions.
They still are petty tyrants! And they still won’t admit they’re wrong and never will.
Well said Patryce. As a fellow unvaccinated Canadian, I agree with your sentiments 100%. I thank God the restrictions have been lifted here in Ontario; just went out for a great dinner in Stratford last night, and I was happy to see the waitress was maskless. I'm hopeful the rest of the restrictions including the travel mandates will be lifted soon.
I totally hear you.
Also! Check IrnieracingNews channel on YouTube! Canadians need to all Not Comply with the ArriveCan app and travel by land to and from the USA. It’s possible! That channel the guy, Marcel, has some videos, tips and encouragement from his own experiences.
https://youtu.be/HV5e6tHcjSs
Oh here’s a link to his latest video btw :)
It would be nice if somebody told the federal government the pandemic is over, so everyone can travel again when they want or need to. The feds appear to be beating up on a big part of their citizenry and that really sucks. They even refuse to justify it with any kind of data or real science. Perhaps they think making it into a wedge issue will score political points for them but it will not. As soon as every family in the country realizes that they have friends and family they still can not visit with, or work obligations that are destroying people's livelihoods, the Liberals are going to be hated even more than they already are, by more and more people. If I was a Liberal MP I would organize a caucus revolt and demand that Trudeau steps down and if he doesn't I would make sure that next time there is a vote in the Commons (ha ha what an oxymoron that word is) that enough MPs don't show up that Singh can not save their sorry ass.
If you were a Liberal MP, you'd be ass-kissing the party and pandering to the low IQ voter base, just as they all do.
Please do not move on without us, the unvaccinated. For millions, the pandemic is not over and every day that the mandates remain in place the damage is driven even deeper.
Yes it certainly is. The worst treatment I have ever seen. I am vaccinated. I haven't felt well since the 3rd booster. Not sure if there is a connection. I am disheartened at the abysmal state of our country and the punishing attitude of Justin Trudeau. Totally political. We have to vote him out.
Then get vaccinated. What’s one more going to do?
I love that you experienced this feeling - I too am warmed by social gatherings, being able to enjoy music live etc.;however there are millions of Canadians who still can not travel to another province let alone another country because of their vaccination status. My husband couldn’t fly to another province to attend his brother’s memorial. I also heard recently that a politician was banished from parliament because of her vaccine status. The pandemic is far from over in terms of the power plays of our government. Sorry if I burst your bubble. I am glad you had a good time. 🙂
Yes, Cathay Wagantall. And I’d like to hear more about this.
I still feel like I live in prison that I am paying for .. I can’t travel or visit family ..
But Tara said the pandemic is over!
It is but the statist manipulation and control remains
But Tara is an independent journalist. Is she lying?
Certainly not .. I like her article but it’s personal and I think the commentary adds perspective
The perspective of a contrarian view in the “ comments”
This is a pretty optimistic piece for a place like Canada that has bought so hard into the narrative. If BA 5 is indeed preferentially infecting the boosted Canada could be in for a big wave and a return to ab-normal over the summer.
Being maskless and revelling among the hundreds (thousands?) in Ottawa last January, and I went twice, I felt the same sense of jubilation and freedom and kinship to humanity. Then, the Emergencies Act, cuz, you know, fear and lies.
"That we can awaken, once again, to all that is beautiful." Ya got me with that one Tara. My thanks from a down-at-the-mouth, I-didn't-used-to-be-this-angry Canadian.
What a lovely piece. It reminds me of the day the Tragically Hip did their last concert and the country closed down. Back when we still liked Trudeau. My copy of “A wrinkle in Time” is missing from the boxed set because it was literally read to pieces. I read it to both children at least twice. I will go check out that podcast.
Patryce thank-you for your thoughts. There is a certain amount of shame I feel as a Canadian when our government shows such flippant disregard for its own citizens. It is not reflective of our history and our international reputation. Our Federal leaders have reduced our international standing and influence on the international stage. The trickle down from the top (PM) has a very bad smell.
Thank you, Dean. Well-said and so true. I was proud to be a Canadian once. How can the government ignore the rampant repudiation of its policies and the alienation the citizenry are feeling from the Canadian identity we once knew?
I echo the other comments here, and further them--the pandemic won’t feel over until these travel mandates are lifted, until jobs stop requiring this fake vax, until nowhere requires masks, until the jab for children is completely rescinded, and until there is some reconciliation offered from our government over the hatred they have provoked between the Canadian people.
So love this spirit.
"Our artists will show us the way."
You mean like Neil Young or David Gilmour?
Don't forget the Austrian vegetarian painter.👨🎨
Tara is happy. Some people are kinda-sorta willing to admit that somebody they "might have" supported screwed over the younger generation by squashing their development for 2 years. Great Tara. smfh
CS Lewis “ The final chapter describes the ultimate consequences of this debunking: a not-so distant future in which the values and morals of the majority are controlled by a small group who rule by a perfect understanding of psychology, and who in turn, being able to see through any system of morality that might induce them to act in a certain way, are ruled only by their own unreflected whims. In surrendering rational reflection on their own motivations, the controllers will no longer be recognizably human, the controlled will be robot-like, and the Abolition of Man will have been completed.“
Poignantly terrifying!
Ontario schools mandate these vaccines:
diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough)
polio
measles
mumps
rubella
meningococcal disease
varicella (chickenpox)
All these mandates should be dropped! Vaccine mandates are evil! We should allow all these diseases to ravage us again and again, as they did in the past!!!
If I can read between the apparent sarcasm, no one is suggesting dropping these vaccines. Unlike the Covid vaccine, they are effective in preventing infection and transmission. If you think people who oppose being vaccinated against Covid-19 are against all vaccines, you are woefully wrong. Some may be against all vaccines, but the great majority are not. Both common sense and scientific evidence show that the Covid-19 vaccine is ineffective in preventing infections and transmission of the virus. So why the mandates?
The actual scientific evidence shows that the covid vaccines are highly effective at preventing death from covid. They also suppress the amount of virus expelled by the infected, reducing transmission.
And when the unvaccinated take a vow not to burden the medical system for treatment of covid, let me know.
There is such a thing as individual responsibility to society. Allowing yourself to become much sicker than you need to be, and then asking society to help you out, at risk to those who provide your care, and denying care to others due to finite resources, is extremely irresponsible, IMO.
That’s your story and you’re sticking to it, regardless of the actual evidence to the contrary. I am unvaccinated, had Omicron, was sick for four days, and now have natural immunity. Millions of people now have had the same experience, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. Does it mean we will never catch the virus again? No, just like the flu, we could catch it again, but it is highly unlikely we would be hospitalized because of it. The more serious alpha and delta variants in terms of potential hospitalization (especially in immunocompromised people with cormidities) passed a long time ago. Get up to date with your so-called science!
I have a PhD in physics from Stanford. I understand science.
While evidence in medicine is much more complicated to collect and interpret than it is in physics, I understand which sort of methodological analyses are valid and which one are not.
Your personal anecdotes are not science. Your "millions of people have had the same experience" is not science.
The actual science is clear: the covid vaccines have saved millions of lives, and those who refuse them not only burden society unnecessarily, but also put others at higher risk than they need to be.
Please feel free to share your scientific evidence to prove your points. I am sure that I come up with scientific evidence to the contrary if I want to take the time to hunt down the myriads of scientific studies and articles I have read and researched in the past two years.
Please, contact Steve......he would love to hear this and debate you....free million for you, I guess....
Oh, cool, Mark! What's the name of one of the millions of people whose life was saved? Surely you can let us know.
Contact Steve Kirsch...he has a million dollars for you to debate him.....he is eagerly waiting your expertise.....https://www.skirsch.com/covid/Bet.pdf....good luck!!!
Steve would eat marky for breakfast, and marky wouldn’t have the nads to put his money where his mouth is in the national spotlight. If the CDC,FDA,Faukey and all the other monkeys won’t debate him, prove me wrong marky
Pretty sure this Mark guy is trolling. He’s saying all the things that make no sense and make the heart rates skyrocket!!
The terms state that the "jury" for this bet is to be 3 retired judges WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED.
ROFLMAO!
Thanks for the stats, Jewel.
You are wrong if you think that these numbers show that the vaccines did not save lives. They show no such thing.
Be careful of this rationale. Firstly, please refer me to clinical trials that show strong evidence that the vaccine prevents death from covid. There is a difference between dying from covid and with covid. Check out this article in the British Journal of Medicine. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o702. Discusses the Illusion of Evidenced based Medicine. And if we are going to talk about the burden on the medical system from the unvaccinated we are stepping into murky water. How about the burden that obesity puts on the medical system for starters? Do you see where I am going with this? The way this pandemic was handled put the true burden on the medical system. Still is.
Well-said! And not to mention the overburdening of hospitals due to adverse effects from the vaccine, such as the dramatic rise in cancers, etc. in the past couple of years. Plus the increase in the all-cause death rate. It doesn't seem far-fetched to me to say that these adverse effects have come at a great cost to the health system. If you think this is far-fetched, there are some interesting and frightening statistics to back it up.
Lol. Do you show the same sanctimony to those who drink too much? Who smoke? Who go decades without hitting the gym and then expect those who have ( at our own expense to boot) to cover their medical costs? How about the ~95% of Canadians who always expect a pint of blood to be ready when they go in for surgery, but have never bothered to roll up their sleeve and donate? If you want to go to a full private healthcare system where people pay according to their risk, you should say so openly. But pretending to care about people burdening the healthcare system to cover your own prejudice against the unvaccinated is kind of weak, IMO.
Mark, obviously your'e still suffering from the "Pandemic of Fear"!
No, I'm benefitting from many years of serious study and high-level education (which I was fortunate enough to be able to get through scholarships and hard work, coming from a small-town working-class background). Because of that, I know how to tell good science from bad.
This is not easy. It takes many years of training, practice, and experience to do it well. And I am here to tell you: if you think the covid vaccines are bad, you are not able to tell good science from bad. You are being misled by bad science. I could try to explain this, but none of you will listen. You have already made up your minds.
It's a great tragedy for the world that so many people no longer place any value on experience and hard-gained expertise. It will doom us all in the end, as you follow the pied pipers off the cliffs.
Baloney!
Since you’re so adept at recognizing good from bad science, you might be interested in looking into Pfizer’s flawed and misleading (corrupt?) vaccine trials, on the basis of which they (along with huge support from the media, governments, and health officials) convinced people it was safe and effective.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635
This BMJ article was the among the first to report on it.
*sigh* That article reports complaints of poor practices such as "Participants placed in a hallway after injection and not being monitored by clinical staff" by ONE person at ONE clinical-trial contractor that did 1000 trials for Pfizer out of a total of 44,000. Since then, there have been HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of doses of Pfizer covid vaccine administered in the United States alone. So today, the results of the trials are completely irrelevant: we have VASTLY more data from real-world use.