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Hugh Jorgan's avatar

Great piece. EXCEPT for the inference Jan 6 was a “move(s) to overthrow the government.” Jan 6 had unforgivable riotous behavior from SOME. But an attempt to overthrow the government? Poppycock. An ACTUAL attempt to unseat the US government—the world’s most powerful nation—would require lots of guns and a very well-organized, highly-motivated group of ANTI-Patriots, anathema to what we actually witnessed. I grow increasingly tired of those that paint a small group of “burn it all down” anarchists as the core, driving force behind scores of peaceful protestors with legitimate concerns about a highly suspect, Cheat-by-Mail election.

Junior Baker's avatar

Tell all that to the 6 folks that died January 6. Or the 4 police officer suicides that followed in the ensuing few months.

PowdaHound's avatar

Like the one beaten to death by police in the tunnel? Like the Cap Police guy who was claimed to have died after being hit by a fire hydrant (didn’t happen) but was texting his brother that he was fine that evening. Had a stroke the next day. No. The pols & media have been lying to you. Just like they did over WMD in Iraq, like “Russian collusion”. How many times are you going to fall for it?

Frank Lee's avatar

Only one died as a result of the attempted entry of the Capitol and that was an innocent unarmed female protestor murdered by a Democrat capital police officer with a history of bad behavior.

However, the previous leftist riots left 30 dead and thousands of police officers injured.

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Jason Bryan's Psychiatrist's avatar

Oh you're insane. probably should have led with that. instead of 3 additional posts.

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Jason Bryan's Psychiatrist's avatar

Yeah, we all did. You're the only one dumb enough to think she lived and the world is lying to you. You're not that special.

Happy4freespeech's avatar

Brilliant letter .. author unknown

This Convoy isn’t just for trucker mandates.

It’s for the 30 million people the Trudeau government approved to be allowed to spy on their cell phones.

It is for family members who are prohibited from visiting family in nursing homes.

It’s because of the censorship on all social media platforms.

It’s for all the people who are afraid to speak out for fear of being called a conspiracy theorist.

It’s for people who didn’t want to give up their freedom of choice!

It’s for people who don’t want to go into debt for the next 100 years.

It’s for people who just want answers to the many unanswered questions.

It is for people who are afraid to hug their family and visit friends.

It’s for people who want their lives back.

For hairdressers to cut hair.

For restaurants to serve food.

For the bars to play music.

For the students to learn.

For children to be free.

For people who want to work but are forced not to.

This is for the people.

This is for trying to silence honest and hardworking citizens.

Never in my life have I seen the healthy punished and the sick not treated.

This is for the 300,000 canceled surgeries.

This is for the people who died waiting for their surgery.

This is for the people who died alone in the hospital without being able to hold the hands of their loved ones.

This is for the exhausted nurses.

This is for the doctors who are not listened to.

This is for all the frontline workers…delivery trucks, grocery store employees, PSWS constantly working overtime, etc.

THIS IS FOR ALL OF US

Patryce Kidd's avatar

Right on - thank you for posting this! The pigeonholing and negative labelling of who is behind this movement is so incredibly narrow-minded. There is a wide swath of Canadian citizenry whose voices, views, concerns, needs, predicaments, etc. are neither recognized nor respected by those in power. Thus the protest, which will only grow larger unless a change in tone and action occurs on the part of the federal and provincial governments. With the latter, this is starting to happen, fortunately. The former seems be stuck on name-calling, bullying, and catering to the close-minded.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

I want to add to my comment above that this protest is fundamentally about the freedom of bodily choice around vaccination. It’s a human rights issue that cuts across the categories of class, race, religion, political affiliation, etc., and, as such, it cannot be compartmentalized. Somehow this seems to get lost in all the “noise” and positioning around this debate. Yet it is at the root of it and central to how we proceed as a society and species around the issue of bodily autonomy.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

I say the protest should be focused on breaking the assumption that government knows best, that bureaucrats are reasonable and politicians are going to help. our governments have actually pretended to "give us" the Charter wherein they set out rules convenient to their ongoing authority. lacking a clear interpretation this continues. people do not realize that a government that "gives" you rights will take them when the time comes, as is demonstrated today with this pandering child leader of ours. As Pierre P said, THEY work for US, not the other way around. how Liberals have managed to occupy the moral high road is a huge problem. they message us the non sense and eventually folks believe it. like the monstrous falsehood of "government funded programs" ... no such thing! only TAXPAYER funded programs. This protest has to be about taking back authority, clipping their wings and restoring process, oversight and accountability. let me be TOTALY unrealistic and suggest punishment for wrongdoing, incompetence and malfeasance, instead of automatic performance bonuses.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

The rights of the vulnerable to be safe.

Beadhead's avatar

You cannot secure the rights of one at the expense of the rights of another. If you want to feel "safe", stay at home; it's your choice.

Junior Baker's avatar

I think you missed my point. I guess that's on me.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

Sorry Junior Baker, but I’m not sure which point you’re referring to.

Junior Baker's avatar

Yes, we all yearn for pre-pandemic times. But do you really want untrammelled visiting to seniors' care homes...when they absolutely have been the most vulnerable demographic and paid the worst price before we figured some of this out? If you're over 70 your vulnerability is about 7-8x that of, say, an 18 yr-old. Fact.

Ieneke van Houten's avatar

I am 78. My generation had opportunities that the young of today lack. Try buying 10 acres cheap and living in a tipi today. I love life. I would like another decade but if I do not get it you will not hear me whine. I do NOT want to be protected at the expense of the young.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

My youngest son is immune-compromised. He should be protected. Would you not agree? I am almost your age and agree with your other comments about the economy but we voted for political parties that made things more expensive.

Ieneke van Houten's avatar

Not all problems have solutions. Of course your son deserves as much protection as possible, but sadly, a society cannot protect everyone from everything. There are diffcult conversations to be had about tradeoffs and risk/benefit analysis. We can only have those conversations if we have all the data, instead of a narrative.

Beadhead's avatar

Agreed, but he should not be protected by increasing the risks to others; the jabs have proven to be the most dangerous injections ever, by far. Masks won't protect him; there is no scientific evidence they are effective against a flu-like virus. Mass inoculations will not protect him, either; the fully "vaccinated" are now becoming infected at a greater rate than the "unvaccinated".

MarkS's avatar

"the jabs have proven to be the most dangerous injections ever, by far" This is completely false. That so many believe it anyway is an enormous tragedy.

Beadhead's avatar

Any evidence of your ridiculous statement? Seen the data in VAERS lately? How about the European adverse event data? England's 'yellow card' system? The UD DoD data? The enormous tragedy is that so many are unaware of the deaths and injuries these jabs have caused, while those like yourself spread lies and deceit.

Michelle's avatar

You’re in complete denial. All the data shows you’re more at risk of dying as a result of the experimental bioweapon than you are of dying of SARS CoV2. This has become an undeniable fact. Check out Steve Kirsh’s substack. Data is all there.

What’s tragic is ppl like you who refuse to look at it.

Junior Baker's avatar

What "expense to the young"? I was talking specifically about visits to long term care homes. Or at least I THOUGHT I was. FWIW, I think the pandemic has been 2-3x more difficult for the young ones (esp young parents) than for us retired folks. No doubt about it. Far more complexity to working from home, child care, foregone social life (me: "what social life"?) But "freedom to visit seniors' homes"? Whose freedom?

Beadhead's avatar

How about the freedom of the residents to see their friends, families and loved ones? Shouldn't they have that freedom? Are they in jail or a long term care home? Apparently, you are unaware there are very effective prophylactics to protect the vulnerable: high dose Vit D and C; Zinc; Ivermectin, etc. The failure to protect the vulnerable elderly by the use of cheap, safe and effective prophylactics has been a great tragedy, a mass murder event really.

Ieneke van Houten's avatar

Sorry, I meant that in general.

Peter Terranova's avatar

At almost 78 years of age and a person who has donated 798 whole blood and plasma donor as tion to fellow Canadians and who has never had a single flue shot or covid shot - I lived in my Mazda 5 for 3 weeks in Ottawa ( 95 % of the time without any heat to concerned fuel) and I survived. This whole "Dangerous pandemic" was staged and in reality was nothing more that a bad flue, PERIOD!

Geoffrey Murray's avatar

Love everything you have done since Lean Out began. Please keep it up. Thanks Tara. I'm listening.

K T's avatar

Bravo Tara. Well Presented.

Clever Fish's avatar

You know what Tara, come down to the Ottawa occupation and experience it for yourself before trying to give us a rudimentary lesson in free speech. We all know this. We affirm their right to free speech and protest. We do protests of all kinds ALL THE TIME in Ottawa and we get on with it. I detest what March for Life stands for, yet up to 100,000 folks come here peacefully and respectfully and do their thing and we all just get on with it. This Ottawa Occupation is different.

Free speech is not without limits, as you (should) know. Nor is the right to protest: it comes up against lawful behaviour and the rights of other citizens. As women in downtown homeless shelters are checking themselves into hospital to get away from the noise, harassment and menace, who is affirming their rights? They are far more vulnerable than the Occupiers. Is this the elite that you speak of? What about the Shepherds of Good Hope volunteer that got assaulted? Also an elite? You have so easily fallen into the trap of the narrative that far-right has set out. It doesn't matter that the rights of Ottawa citizens have been eroded, because they are elites. Do I have to go Meryl Streep on you and ask 'Why are your freedoms more important than mine?' The Charter also upholds the equality of rights, in case you forgot that part. When it was a protest, the convoy's rights were affirmed plenty. Now that it's an occupation that breaks many, many laws and infringes on the rights of others, the conversation must change.

In the meantime, we know that the events in Ottawa are foreign funded. The self-proclaimed QAnon Queen burned a Canadian flag on the Hill yesterday. That's her free speech, fine. But she also has been directing her followers to kill heath care workers administering vaccines. May I introduce you to a limit on free speech.

The 'organizers' of the occupiers are insurrectionists. Full stop. Sure, people who are disenfranchised in one way or the other are caught up in this. They are being duped, they are being used. (https://www.trucknews.com/blogs/the-so-called-freedom-convoy-was-never-about-truckers-or-border-mandates/) But that STILL doesn't excuse the unlawful behaviour attached to their behaviour.

PLENTY of people are engaging Joe Rogan on the essentials. His rights are intact. Don't worry there. And besides, he's savvy and he knows the controversy is great for him. Joe Rogan worked in large production TV for years. His podcast production could absolutely be higher-production value, but it's all part of the theatre - theatre you are completely taken in by, clearly.

Finally, what you are conveniently omitting in your righteous bloviating is what this *fight* is over. People are still dying in high numbers from Covid. Hospitals are at the brink. Our health care workers are at the edge and are being actively targeted. (see Q-Queen, above) Does anyone even remember what the mandates are for? It's to prevent the collapse of our health care system. Your analysis is so simplistic: it's a thought discussion of free speech, without limits, in a vacuum.

I subscribed because I thought you might have something interesting to say, but no, it's just warmed over populist drivel. Maybe you're gone from CBC because you can't journalism yourself out of a paper bag.

George Hariton's avatar

I live in Ottawa, and I spent some time talking to demonstrators, and to some people who live in the area. They seemed pleased to speak. I got the impression that one of their main wishes was for people to listen to them.

I saw no signs of the behavior of which you complain. One example: Many of the demonstrators self-police, and say that they force people with Nazi symbols or Confederate flags to remove them. They aren't always completely successful, but the vast majority have no patience for that kind of thing. Another thing: The vast majority do not blow their horns after six pm, and try to discourage the few who do. In fact, at 3 pm on a Wednesday, there was more noise coming from construction sites than from the demonstrators, at least where I was (Metcalfe and Laurier).

And yes, I saw plenty of women and people of color. The accusations of misogyny and racism are not very convincing.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

In the heat of the night showed a lovely example of uncle Tom.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

I have seen pix of protestors holding signs with swastikas and trucks with confederate flags and swastika flags.

Beadhead's avatar

I think you will see those kinds of people at every major public demonstration, of whatever kind. It has nothing to do with the protest itself, only with the individuals themselves.

Jonathan Walford's avatar

Nope, never seen a swastika or a Confederate flag at any Gay Pride events, Greenpeace protests, or Women's rights marches...

Beadhead's avatar

Well, I have. Not among the protestors usually, but they do come out. They just can't help themselves.

Jonathan Walford's avatar

Oh - you mean the ones who are protesting AGAINST gay rights, women's rights, and the environment... yes you are right there...

Herb Wiseman's avatar

I have been to many protests and demonstrations since 1976 and have not seen swastikas at them until this one.

Clever Fish's avatar

George, good for you for engaging, but you can't mistake your own personal experience for those who may be more vulnerable than you. Please read the statement from Cornerstone Women's Shelter about their experience.

NJV's avatar

Your comments are your right as well..... and sadly, in a protest that holds these kinds of numbers you will always get "fringe" incidents that you can point to and say what about these people's rights.... yet the purpose of this protest is to cause unrest. Not sure what your stance was on cities burning in 2020 to "peacefully" protest the death of George Floyd.... I would much rather have a truly peaceful protest that we are witnessing in Ottawa right now.

I get that you are pissed I would be too if I lived near by it would be maddening but where is the Prime Minister, where is his responsibility to the millions of people that this protest represents? Why can’t he sit down and give them the forum they deserve, for not only doing a truly essential job for this nation but also and again…..the millions they are representing. He was quick to take a knee for the theater of the GF protest….that I am sure didn’t bother you. Yet you are against theatre it seems when it suits you.

Also…. Having the stones to walk away and expose what every half educated Canadian knows to be true the CBC is state media that pretends to act as journalists yet mimics CNN or MSNBC as the lap dogs for the Democrat/Liberal Party. Not sure where you stand on that.....well I can guess…. but funding to the tune of 600 million buys a lot of looking the other way for the pathetic Liberal party and the joke of leader that heads it. Tara stands for the truth, and weather you want to buy into your own truth……its your right….but look at the coverage of the Trucker Convoy by the CBC and really ask yourself is that what you are looking for….is that real journalism?

Jonathan Walford's avatar

More importantly, the Conservative party, in the interest of 'Peace and Prosperity', should have offered to meet with truckers BEFORE the convoy started to take their grievances to parliament and help solve rather than politicize this protest and create division by allowing the noisy minority to have a tantrum and hold a city hostage. Keep in mind, this is not a popular protest - 80% of Canadians have no problem with doing the right thing by protecting their family and neighbours health as well as the privilege of free health care by getting a shot.

Camilla's avatar

The government should have been honest with us from the beginning. There are risks involved in all pharmaceuticals- especially those that have not undergone long term study and analysis. Where there is risk,' doing the right thing' which so many fools parrot, actually means letting everyone decide for themselves whether or not they will participate. I am now seeing a truly alarming increase in all manner of malignancies in vaccinated individuals. People who were previously entirely healthy or who were in remission who suddenly present with stage four cancer at diagnosis and succumb within months - sometimes weeks or even days. Rare cancers, aggressive cancers, glioblastomas, pancreatic cancer, lymphomas are exploding. Young patients, old patients and every age in-between. And of course, I am not the only one. This has becomes a furiously whispered discussion amongst myself and my colleagues because of course, we are not able to sound the alarm for fear of being sanctioned by our respective colleges- which is perhaps the most grievous crime of all. So before you go and slam this movement, go thank these protesters. They may well save some of humanity from what appears to be one of the most alarming health catastrophes in my career.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

Thank you, this is one aspect of the whole debate that I feel so strongly about. No one ever seems to question the medical consequences from the vaccines that have led to increased hospitalizations, and yet, from what I have read and heard (many personal stories), as well as witnessed in my own family and friends circle, it is happening and it is deeply disturbing. It is a primary reason why I have chosen not to be vaccinated. Why expose myself to that risk? And for what? Who are these people filling up hospital beds exactly?

this's avatar

Dr. Ryan Cole predicted this a few months ago. He saw a 20 fold increase in soft tissue cancers. The mechanism? I listened to Dr. Tenpenny and perhaps the ingredient used to allow the mRNA into the cell is lowering overall immunity.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

Until I see the data, your obviously biased perspective is irrelevant. Many health care workers are saying quite different things.

Camilla's avatar

Herb, please explain. How is my experience and that of my colleagues, biased? Are we not allowed to make observations and draw conclusions from what we see? We are hardly alone. https://twitter.com/ANMDUSA/status/1488939467402526732 as just an example of physicians feeling obliged to alert. In addition, recently the DOD released their statistics- which are meticulously generated and which record cancers incidence as being 300% higher than prior to vaccine introduction. The tumorigenesis is thought to stem from the suppression of the innate immune system caused by these vaccines. More information is widely available on that now, but here is one of the most comprehensive https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357994624_Innate_Immune_Suppression_by_SARS-CoV-2_mRNA_Vaccinations_The_role_of_G-quadruplexes_exosomes_and_microRNAs

Patryce Kidd's avatar

Thanks for posting these links, Camilla!

Beadhead's avatar

Herb, there's this thing called VAERS, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, which is jointly operated by the CDC and FDA. It contains PLENTY of data on the tens of thousands of adverse events from these experimental jabs, which have NO safety profile. Granted, it's not a perfect system; it's voluntary and incredibly cumbersome. But it's all we have. It is telling, I think, that the Gov't of Canada did not put into place a mandatory, robust and informative public system for tracking adverse events to the jabs they were mandating. I wonder why?

Beadhead's avatar

I should qualify my prior comment to add the US Dept of Defence health database is now showing both cancers and miscarriages are up by 300% and neurological events are up 1,000% post-shot mandates. The US DoD keeps excellent records.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

And any adverse reactions that have been reported on VAERS are likely to be a gross underestimation, as I suspect the majority of people who have suffered ill effects have been told by doctors that they are not related to the vaccine, so they go unreported. This is a tragedy of huge proportion and dire consequences that is being largely ignored and invalidated.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

Why is this perspective “obviously biased”? Have you taken the time to investigate the issue? No, it seems you rely on broad and simplistic mainstream media reports of the hospital situation.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

If the protests offend you so much, there’s a simple solution. End the vaccine mandates and passports, which are completely unjustified, in spite of all this ranting about hospitals filling up, blah, blah, blah. Hospitalizations and deaths are in fact going down throughout the world, and many countries are ending these unnecessary restrictions on people’s rights. You might consider the common sense solution of supporting their termination instead of railing unfairly against the people who are committed to preserving their freedom to choose or not choose vaccination.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

what needs to happen is the temporary occupiers of the offices in Parliament need consider complying with the very clearly articulated demands of a LOT of Canadians. PERIOD.

John's avatar

The truckers are now being arrested, which was inevitable. I’ve contributed to their legal defence fund. They made their point and got a lot of people’s attention.

Brian Peckford, former Nfld premier and last surviving architect of the Charter, has engaged a team of six lawyers who have filed a lawsuit against the government.

Now we will have to wait and see whether the courts see the truckers are heroic defenders of our Charter rights, or as fringe extremists with unacceptable views, as Trudeau claims. I’m glad I’m on the side of the truckers.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

I have a buddy who is willing to pay Don Cherry to bring a gas can to the truckers.

John's avatar

Haha! That’s awesome - and a worthy exercise of our Charter freedoms.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

and I agree with your outlook. it will be interesting to watch as the CBC and CTV networks, as paid lap dogs of the current regime, do their utmost to discredit and vilify these guys.

Russel's avatar

Just a simple choice, end mandates or listen to noise. Haha

John's avatar

The smell of blood is in the water now. Pierre Poilievre just declared his intention to run for PM. Trudeau’s days are numbered.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

well I guess the resounding support of 3 likes tells all you need to know about the popularity or agreement the folks have with your views. BTW the health care system was 98% occupied before this crisis. we have a management problem, not a pandemic problem. me thinks it is you who is out of step with reality.

Clever Fish's avatar

Thanks for making clear that debate is just a popularity contest for you, Frederick, one that I don't care about. My critique was direct to Tara H as an audience of one. I subscribed because I thought that her Substack was going to be much more nuanced and interesting than its proven to be. Instead, it's really just well-worn paint-by-numbers rhetoric ripped from the playbook of the neo-Conservatives. That she's only created an echo chamber for those who want their biases confirmed is only proven by the commentary here.

And I agree with you on the healthcare system. The pandemic has only highlighted all its failings. However that is the situational reality that means that there has to be measures to avoid the total collapse of the system. I hope that's a reality that we can *agree* on.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

and i disagree with your analysis of the quality or substance of Tara's work. you may not agree but the labeling of her work as "well-worn paint-by-numbers rhetoric ripped from the playbook of the neo-Conservatives" is the kind of name calling used to denigrate the other's view. I view your comments on her views as the kind of personally insulting Liberal methodology (shoot the messenger) used to discredit someone rather than what they say. BTW you live in the other echo chamber. don't be so sure yours is any better or more correct.

Beadhead's avatar

Well, I for one do not agree. Firstly, the fears of overloading the health care system were mostly bunk for 2020, and when high capacity was experienced in 2021, little was done to increase capacity. In Wuhan, the gov't. was reported to have built three new hospitals in very short order. In Canada? We can afford billions of dollars for blue navy warships and attack aircraft to kill poplin other lands, but wee can't afford sufficient healthcare facilities for our own? How sick (pun intended) is that?

Patryce Kidd's avatar

And what are those measures you propose? To insist that people who choose not to be vaccinated for their own good reasons must pay the price of losing their jobs and incomes, and remain prisoners in their homes? What a heartless and senseless approach if that is what you are indeed advocating!

Russel's avatar

And little attempt was made to mobilize higher capacity, at least in Alberta, they only talked about it.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

indeed we are 2 years down the road and the only thing I could say is there so no more talk of health care cutbacks, laying off of nurses and cutting hospital budgets. perhaps that is progress. but it remains a fact there is no capacity for crisis. we aren't being well served by the finance people who are responsible for the administration of OUR MONEY. remember, there are NO government funded programs, only tax payer funded programs.

John's avatar

Thank you for your views. They have been heard and understood. I strongly disagree with them, but thank goodness we live in a country (at least for now) where we are free to voice our views and engage in public discourse.

Of course, this doesn’t apply to the woke witch hunter phenomenon where, if you’re unlucky enough, you say something that catches the attention of the woke mob and end up figuratively burned at the stake while the mob cheers in glee at the spectacle.

Russel's avatar

Have you been to the trucker protest yourself?

Clever Fish's avatar

Yes I have. But I also have a family to take care of, volunteer work to do and a small business to run. I can't make it my full-time job to have conversations with people who want to overthrow the government. I've already wasted too much time on this GD forum - which is my own damn fault. If people so badly want to 'get back to work', I wish they would because that's what and 1000s of Ottawans who live here would just like to do. Honestly, the protesters could stay here forever for all any of us care if they weren't persecuting the citizens of this city with their disrespectful behaviour.

Abner Knight's avatar

Real Journalists don't leave their apartment.

Russel's avatar

And even then, they absolutely never try to contact the protest organizers

Herb Wiseman's avatar

Just saw a video of a person trying to use his right to free speech and the protestors ganged up on him and did not let him be heard. They chanted "Freedom" over and over again drowning out the speaker who was deprived of his free speech.

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

yes putting your head in the lion's mouth proves nothing and is rather foolish. what's good for the goose...the whole reason for the protest is that truckers have been the lone voice drowned out by JT and Teresa Tam of the establishment. so now the shoe is on the other foot. how does it feel? not so nice eh? Democracy isn't the freedom of 2 wolves and chicken meeting lawfully to vote on the diner menu.

John's avatar

They’re making themselves heard no matter how hard the establishment, including the mainstream media, are trying to mute them. It’s an amazing thing to see. However…engaging that person who approached the protest may have been an opportunity to build understanding and depolarize a tiny little bit. “One conversation at a time.”

Frederick Schwilgin's avatar

we are, I believe, at a danger point. both sides are committed and dug in. the government believes they are still in control and can simply enact more regulations to "fix" this. the truckers know they have the establishment by the balls. this is how wars start. inflexible meets inflexible. all it needs is a spark and the two dummies who seem willing to provide it are the Ottawa police chief and Doug Ford. both are imponent but determined to flex their muscle. meanwhile the coward of the cottage says nothing. me thinks that brand is damaged beyond repair.

John's avatar

Not cool. As fallible human beings, we can easily end up on the low road. All we can do is call it out when happens and try to do better. That’s something I like about Tara’s platform. So far, people have “generally” been quite civil and try to discuss issues in good faith.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

What is uncivil about this?

John's avatar

Uncivil about what? What did I say was uncivil? I’m not following.

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Clever Fish's avatar

Where in my comment did you see me say that I condoned any of the behaviour you described at BLM-related occupations? I don't. But those events were POLICED and policed heavily. Much of the violence erupted out of confrontation with police forces. And you are giving only American examples. This is a different country, different laws. Please stick to actual equivalents, if you want to have a real debate.

I am giving the Ottawa police (slim) benefit of the doubt that their methods of not enforcing with the same energy of BLM protests are, as they say, to avoid violence as opposed to a tacit agreement with the Occupiers. Also, it HAS to be said, that there was a huge BLM rally here in 2020, far bigger than this - totally peaceful, not one arrest, but I digress.

Regarding the 'If they are committing the harassment you describe', how can you with any seriousness go all Sherlock about 'something else going on here' (eg. conspiracy of Liberal elites') without doing any primary research. If you are on twitter, may I direct you to Cornerstone Women's Shelter and Shepherds of Good Hope twitter feeds to read their first hand accounts.

Marcie's avatar

Church burnings, railroad blockades, pipeline harassment. All ok for the elite in Canada. Chop the heads off statutes. The majority of truckers are peaceful and there are people who are trying to subvert that with bad agendas sure but the main organization is peaceful and positive

Clever Fish's avatar

The problem is that the right don't give the same benefit of the doubt to protesters you don't agree with. Look at Candice Bergen had to say about the pipeline protests in 2020 - she said they should be broken up with force immediately. Conservatives invented the double standard.

If we change your sentence to: "The majority of INDIGENOUS ACTIVISTS are peaceful and there are people who are trying to subvert that with bad agendas sure but the main organization is peaceful and positive.", a lot of people on your end of the political spectrum would say we're making excuses. That's not helpful.

Russel's avatar

Yes, the double standard does need to stop. A lot of protests on either side are magnets for unrelated anarchists and radicals

Marcie's avatar

Church burnings we’re not peaceful

Clever Fish's avatar

Of course they aren't Marcie! That's my point. I agree with the grievance behind that church burning (genocide in residential schools was reprehensible) but I DON'T condone the behaviour. What I am trying to say is that we can affirm the right to free speech while AT THE SAME TIME not support/ condemn the unlawful behaviour that motivates - and if those on all sides of the political spectrum did that, we'd all be better off.

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John's avatar

The “elite” normally means those with wealth, power and social status.

In the present political context, it is used in the pejorative to refer to self-righteous virtue signallers who look down upon and sneer at ordinary folks who have different experiences and hold different views. The elite try to devalue these folks by dismissing them as extremists, misogynists, racists, climate deniers, anti-vaxxers, etc., etc., thereby devaluing and slamming the door on even the possibility of public discourse.

This is Trudeau’s strategy for dealing with almost and dissent. He’s a classic elitist.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

More than $10 million was raised — a lot of it American and anonymously. That says a particularly elite is behind the convoy with another agenda than freedom since they do not mind interfering with the freedoms of others.

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Beadhead's avatar

Don't count on it. They don't care what you want.

Roy Ellis's avatar

Fantastic. Nailed it. I do not need to agree but I must respect the right. How do I learn? How do I move forward with my life? How do solve problems? If I don’t openly interact with people who have apposing ideas I can’t progress. If we allow our fundamental rights to dwindle it is only a mater of time before you are the one protesting 🤔

K T's avatar

With diversity the best ideas can rise to the top and we can figure out the solution to important problems without being manipulated by one narrative.

John's avatar

Thanks for your point. In public discourse, it's fundamental to listen and at least "try" to understand other points of view. Closing our minds to other views and becoming religiously attached to our own can be disastrous.

Heidi Barton's avatar

So well written. Boils down to elites weeping and wailing because they are losing their power. Trudeau is an idiot for not meeting with the truckers and I agree that he is prolonging this. Who does he think he is? The buck stops with him. Hope this continues to massively backfire on him.

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Personally, I hope the Truckers' Convoy will finally bring about a discussion in Canada over neoliberalism, which has been the elephant in the room of Canadian politics and culture for decades now with little to no discussion or debate. Our governments' cancelling of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms has, it seems, awoken many of us to fact of the elephant's outsize presence.

Herb Wiseman's avatar

You are correct about Neoliberalism which is the purpose of this demonstration — that is to continue it in the face of mounting evidence that it is a destructive harmful paradigm but you are NOT correct about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Beadhead's avatar

I don't think you have a very sound understanding of the meaning of the term, 'neoliberalism'.

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Herb Wiseman's avatar

Ending the pandemic restrictions will not end the pandemic. Vaccines and precaution are doing that.

Beadhead's avatar

The "vaccines" cannot, repeat cannot, end the pandemic. They are not sufficiently sterilizing; it is mathematically impossible. The WHO, the CDC, Dr Fauci and even Pfizer now recognize this. The only path to ending the pandemic is the way pandemics have always ended, through herd immunity. Now that the virus has evolved to a highly contagious but far less dangerous strain, it appears that everyone will, sooner or later, become infected, acquire natural, long lasting immunity, and the pandemic will end. The "precautions" of which you speak will only prolong the pandemic, not shorten it.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

A well-stated response to an absurd comment.

Dawn Higgins's avatar

Thank you for the sane and balanced perspectives. I am enjoying your writings as well as the interviews. Keep up the very important work!

Wens's avatar

Thanks Tara, for changing the way a story gets told. It is a relief to read (your) articles that consider all sides with such balance and clarity. Liked and shared!

Aleksander Eaton's avatar

Perfection. Thanks for articulating these points so cogently.

Beadhead's avatar

Great new comment from Dr. Robert W. Malone: "It turns out Canadian truckers listening to Joe Rogan know more than many “experts.” Had the truckers been in charge the last two years, the world would probably be healthier, and freer." Just gotta love that man.

Patryce Kidd's avatar

Thanks for the article, Tara. I’ve read through the comments and am frankly astonished how many of these readers are framing the truckers’ and Canadian citizens’ protest against vaccine mandates and passports. That’s the issue behind this movement, let’s not forget it, even though nowhere in your article do you mention it, instead choosing to frame it as a “class” issue.

I have been following the protest very closely, and from what I observe, it has been predominantly peaceful and respectful. The people who cannot accept what is happening or have a shred of interest or consideration in addressing the legitimate concerns of the protesters are choosing to focus only on a few isolated incidents that in no way represent the intent of the protest. Vaccine mandates and passports have been dropped now in many countries. It needs to happen in Canada too, and soon!

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Tara doesn't believe a word she/he/they's saying. She/he/they know what's coming and is running for cover. The credentialed Left have created a Reaction that is going to make Franco look like Barney the Dinosaur. All that practice hiding the past few years will be put to good use.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/30/live-portugal-heads-to-the-polls-to-pick-new-government

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This is video of Brian Peckford, former Nfld premier and last surviving architect of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, speaking to a HUGE crowd outside the BC legislature in Victoria. The great sleeping giant (I.e., Democracy) is beginning to awake from its slumber in Canada. https://youtu.be/8M2broiLWDs

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When things are stable, it’s so easy to take these things for granted. But we’ve always got to “be on guard for thee”, so to speak. 🙂

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Thanks, Jewel. I’ve posted the link to JPs interview below, in case anyone happens to read this and wants to view it. https://youtu.be/EdhFuMDLBDM