'You feel the desperation of people who are understanding their own irrelevance'

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One year ago today, the Lean Out podcast launched with an interview with the American journalist Batya Ungar-Sargon.

Now, 12 months later, Lean Out has listeners in 135 countries and 2900 cities. To mark this milestone — our first anniversary — I invited Batya back on the show to talk through some of the big stories of 2022.

Batya Ungar-Sargon is the deputy opinion editor at Newsweek, and the author of Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy.

I’m thrilled to have Batya Ungar-Sargon as my guest, to kick off a whole new year on the Lean Out podcast.